
{"id":293302,"date":"2023-12-17T10:54:03","date_gmt":"2023-12-17T15:54:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/en\/?p=293302"},"modified":"2023-12-17T11:05:25","modified_gmt":"2023-12-17T16:05:25","slug":"interview-with-nobody","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/en\/cuba\/migration\/interview-with-nobody\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Nobody"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I\u2019m in Panna Maria, Karnes County, Texas, a small Polish settlement located 46 miles from Seguin on Texas Hwy 123 N. It is a warm and clear Sunday. It seems as if not even the tiniest particle of dust was floating in the air. Chance has brought me here, very close to a small rural complex named Cestohowa, exactly the same name of the city where my nephews live in Poland, near the Warta River: Czestochowa, in Polish; Cestohowa, in English; Chestojova, in Spanish.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1025px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-3-1025x1366.jpg\" alt=\"Entrance to the town of Cestohowa, Texas, one of the settlements of the Polish pioneers in Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1025\" height=\"1366\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Entrance to the town of Cestohowa, Texas, one of the settlements of the Polish pioneers in Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the small office where local history is preserved, I learn that the town was founded by emigrants who arrived from Poland on December 24, 1854, and that the congregation\u2019s first mass was celebrated precisely on that Christmas morning. So Panna Maria (Virgin Mary) is the oldest Polish colony in the United States, home to the first Polish church \u2014 of the same name \u2014 and Catholic school. Today, the descendants of Polish Texans claim to be around a quarter of a million, of the ten million descendants of people from that nation who, I\u2019m told, live throughout the United States.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1025px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-9-1025x1366.jpg\" alt=\"Statue of the Virgin Mary in front of the first Polish Catholic church built in Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1025\" height=\"1366\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Statue of the Virgin Mary in front of the first Polish Catholic church built in Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I go to the church, a Gothic-style building that rises, slightly, in the middle of the intense green of the manicured lawn. It is the evolution of the church founded in 1873, remodeled in the 1930s and with some touches from the present.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1025px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-1-1025x1366.jpg\" alt=\"Panna Maria, Karnes County, Texas. First Catholic church built by Polish immigrants in the United States. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1025\" height=\"1366\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Panna Maria, Karnes County, Texas. First Catholic church built by Polish immigrants in the United States. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There are few parishioners. The altar is profusely decorated with natural flowers. I think it may be dressed up for a wedding. Someone clarifies to me that in a few hours there will be a wake. A couple catches my attention: she has Asian features, he looks Latino. They are sitting close together, four benches in front of me. I take photos discreetly; it is difficult to disturb the peace that is breathed there. The man turns around and looks at me as if disapproving of my use of the camera. With a gesture I tell him not to worry, that I\u2019m not photographing them. He doesn\u2019t seem very convinced.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1025px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-4-1025x1366.jpg\" alt=\"Plaque cast in bronze commemorating the first mass offered by Polish Catholics on December 24, 1854, in what is now Karnes County, TX. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1025\" height=\"1366\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Plaque cast in bronze commemorating the first mass offered by Polish Catholics on December 24, 1854, in what is now Karnes County, TX. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">II<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now it\u2019s Tuesday. I\u2019m still in deep Texas, I travel through small cities or towns that repeat the layout of the train station, the modest markets, fast food restaurants, family businesses, the post office, the gas station, the barbershop, the churches \u2014 several, of different denominations \u2014 the bar. and bank branches. In this tiny city, whose name I cannot record, the German imprint is noticeable, another of the strong emigrations that this state in the southwestern center of the country has received in various waves.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It\u2019s one in the afternoon and the sun is beating down. There is little to do and much less to see. I go to the barbershop. I can spend my time there until they come to pick me up to return me to New Braunfels, where my family lives. It\u2019s difficult to tell how I got here. I\u2019m looking for stories for my column. And barbershops are a good place to socialize and find out about extraordinary or curious facts.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1025px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-5-1025x1366.jpg\" alt=\"Barbershop in a town in deep Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1025\" height=\"1366\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Barbershop in a town in deep Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The room is empty. The barber flips through, without much interest, an automobile magazine. He notices me and invites me to take the chair. A haircut in Texas, before the pandemic, cost $20; now, depending on the place\u2019s rank, the price can be double. I won\u2019t know until he finishes the job. In any case, it will be a lot for my precarious economy, but I have no option if I want to stop emulating the hairy guy from Mayajigua.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cYou\u2019re the one who took photos in the church,\u201d I hear behind me; my English is bad, but it\u2019s enough to understand; his is good, although with a big accent.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8220;We can speak in Spanish,&#8221; I reply, still in amazement. \u201cCuban?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He doesn\u2019t affirm. Nor does he deny. I was right. I ask him if he has been in town for a long time. \u201cQuite a bit,\u201d he replies. He starts doing his job. I want to know if he is the man who was with the Chinese woman in the church. \u201cVietnamese,\u201d he corrects me. He asks if I was photographing them. I tell him all about my Polish family. I was taking photos of the stained-glass windows and statues of saints to show my nephews. I feel like he still doesn\u2019t believe me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cWhat are you concerned about?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cYou can\u2019t be photographing people here. For less than that they\u2019ll shoot you.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAre you hiding in this hole in the world?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cHole is where I came from. And no, I\u2019m not hiding from anyone. Or yes, maybe from myself.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cI\u2019m a journalist. I would like to know your story, have a conversation with you that could turn into an interview.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNo. I\u2019m a man of no importance. Nothing that\u2019s happened to me up to this point is of interest.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cEveryone carries an interesting story; you just have to know how to discover it and tell it.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cSomething like \u2018everyone has their bolero\u2019?\u201d he mocks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cExactly\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNo, forget it.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAre you afraid that, if I publish our conversation, your family and friends will find out where you are?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cThey know. I already told you: there\u2019s no intrigue.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAren\u2019t you curious to know who I\u2019m? What I\u2019m doing here?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNo. We Cubans are everywhere. We do all kinds of things.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAre there many in this town?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAs far as I know, it\u2019s just me. There are Mexicans and Guatemalans, but we don\u2019t mix.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He finishes giving me a haircut. A simple cut, with scissors, that takes five years off my shoulders.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cHow much do I owe you?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNothing. It\u2019s my good deed today. But don\u2019t keep bugging me, okay?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I thank him, although I don\u2019t promise him anything.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It\u2019s not the first time it\u2019s happened to me. I have found Cubans in other countries who, knowing that I belong to the tribe, have not charged me for their services or the merchandise they sell. This ranges from my eyeglasses in the Canary Islands to an ENT consultation in Houston. In Manila, Philippines, the airline employee\u2019s compatriot passed my luggage without weighing it&#8230;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I go out into the inclemency again. It should be at least 40 degrees Celsius in the sun. The train station, about 300 meters away, is empty. It looks like a movie set. People no longer travel on trains, which have only been left for freight transportation. I could lie down on one of the dark wooden benches to let the hours pass; the shadow and silence invite, but I\u2019m afraid I might fall asleep.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1366px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-6-1366x1025.jpg\" alt=\"Small railway station. Today that means is only used to move merchandise. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1366\" height=\"1025\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Small railway station. Today that means is only used to move merchandise. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I haven\u2019t eaten anything since breakfast. Nearby there is a small Mexican restaurant. It is run by a couple who, in turn, are the owners. At a secluded table, a child does his homework. He himself will take my order in a few minutes, when he puts the notebooks in his backpack. I order tacos: one of tinga, one of lengua and one of pastor. \u201cWith everything?\u201d the boy asks me. Yes, I answer, but with little chili; and very cold water to drink.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">While I wait, I check my messages. Friends and family are fine, the world still sucks. I dispatch two or three work matters. My editor reminds me that they expect the column at prime time tomorrow. I answer that he shouldn\u2019t worry, that it\u2019s guaranteed. I\u2019m the one who worries, since I have nothing in the pipeline. I\u2019m having a hard time writing. I\u2019ve been many days away from my home in El Vedado. That must be taking its toll on my usual good disposition for work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I go back to the barbershop. There are people inside. The Cuban doesn\u2019t see me. Now there is another barber, working in the adjacent chair; judging by his reddish hair and his six feet, he is evidently a gringo. I settle into one of the chairs in outside the barbershop. I sleep a little. Then, I listen to music with my headphones: Arca\u00f1o, danzones; I get a little excited. With Cubanness it happens like with health: one spends the first half of one\u2019s life trying to lose it, and the second trying to recover it&#8230;. The clock strikes 4. In an hour my son will come. He goes out to work and drops me off in any town or city along the route.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 1366px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/oncubanews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/ENTREVISTA-CON-NADIE-8-1366x1025.jpg\" alt=\"Young Cuban emigrant in Seguin, Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.\" width=\"1366\" height=\"1025\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Young Cuban emigrant in Seguin, Texas. Photo: Alex Fleites.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Cuban looks out and is surprised to see me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cI thought you were already in Havana.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cHow do you know I\u2019m from Havana?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cBecause of the pronunciation. You are one of those who say \u2018cacne\u2019 and \u2018pacque.\u2019\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think he\u2019s giving me a chance to resume the dialogue. I ask him which province he\u2019s from. He pretends not to hear. I want to know if he\u2019s finished working. \u201cFor today, yes.\u201d I ask if there is a place in town where I can have a good espresso, I invite. \u201cIn my home,\u201d he says, smiling amusedly. \u201cBut I\u2019m not going to invite you.\u201d I explain to him that I wasn\u2019t expecting him to do so, that I have nowhere to go until they pick me up in a while. He looks at me, hesitating. He says to come with him, the house is close, but that I\u2019m not going to go past the porch. Bingo, I think, I\u2019ll see if I can get him to loosen up a little.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Along the way I find out that he traveled from Havana to Moscow, that he slept clandestinely in the hostels of his old school in Ivanovo, that since he could not travel directly to Yuma \u2015 I respect his terms \u2015 he flew to Stockholm: six years to obtain the Swedish nationality and passport. Then, legal travel to Florida, residency and nationality, a process of six more years, or something like that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cHow did you get here?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cDriving, three days. The car, which already had its problems, stopped working on the road. It melted down there,\u201d he points to me with his right hand ahead, \u201cwhere the elevated tanks are.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cWasn\u2019t this town your destination?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cI had no destination. I planned to drive until the fuel ran out. It broke down with the tank almost full.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We got to his home. Like all the ones in the place, it is made of wood, with sober tones. The grass where it stands is cut, although without the care that Americans put into the task. He offers me a chair in the porch. He goes to make the coffee, he says. The door remains ajar. I exercise my profession as a snoop, I peek in. The living room furniture is modest. On one of the walls, quite well framed, there is what could be a watercolor or a silkscreen by Camejo: the Havana Malec\u00f3n on a rainy day, passersby with umbrellas, a bicycle leaning against the wall, a man fishing wearing a raincoat. It is a melancholic image of Havana. How did that piece get here? Did he bring it?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He comes with the coffee. Two cups. He brings up a small table and the other armchair that is in the porch. I check the aroma. It is \u201cCuban\u201d coffee from Miami. I would distinguish it from any other by a mile. He sits back, sips slowly, savors. He says that so many hours standing behind the barber\u2019s chair exhausts him. I\u2019m interested in knowing if he was a barber in Cuba. No, he obtained the title and permit in Saint Petersburg, Florida; it helped him settle here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Vietnamese girl arrives, she is wearing a white coat with a monogram that I can\u2019t read. She is younger than him, maybe five years. She kisses him Cuban style, on the lips, without the modesty imposed by the formalities of her culture. She tilts her head at me in greeting. She doesn\u2019t ask anything. She enters the house.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cIs that your wife?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cSort of.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cDid she come with you?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cShe was already here. She saved me from dying of dehydration when the car broke down. She is a nurse. She took me to her house, which is this one, and she took care of me. And so on, one day and another until we discovered that we were a couple.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cDo you communicate in English?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cYes, but we talk little. The essential. Maybe that\u2019s why we don\u2019t fight. We are doing well. I\u2019ve been lucky. I think it\u2019s the same with her. On days off we go hiking, play pickleball, watch a movie. We don\u2019t get bored.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cYou love her?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He stares at me for a few seconds. Either he wasn\u2019t expecting the question or he doesn\u2019t have the answer. He leans back in the chair.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cA year ago she traveled to Hanoi to attend the funeral of her father. I thought she wasn\u2019t coming back. When I saw her getting out of the taxi with her suitcases one Sunday, I ran to help her. I don\u2019t usually run for anything or anyone. Maybe that answers your question.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know I\u2019ve been indiscreet. I also register that my interlocutor is exceeding the limit of tolerance with me. Perhaps the unusual talkativeness is due to the infrequency with which he uses Spanish. The Spanish language pulls his tongue, I think of this cheap joke, but I don\u2019t tell him.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAre you in contact with Cuba, do you read the news?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNo. I\u2019m fed up with Cuba to the gonads. Intolerance, aggressiveness, and one-way speech are a very heavy burden. Miami is an extension of Havana. The same dog, but with a sausage collar.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cThe gonads? Did you mean cojones?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cThe gonads.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cCan I know what your name is?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNo.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cAnd her name?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cNeither. In Spanish it means girl who sings on the edge of the flowering rice field where buffaloes frolic, frogs croak and swallows swoop down to drink water.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cYou\u2019re joking.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cThink what you want.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cObviously you won\u2019t allow me to take a picture of you either.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cHow did you know?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cLook, partner, I make a living by telling stories. I\u2019m going to have to describe this encounter. I promise not to name the town. But if I don\u2019t even know your name, you\u2019re going to make it very difficult for me. Can I leave you a card with my phone numbers and email in case you change your mind?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u201cThere\u2019s no need. I\u2019m not going to call you. I already told you, I\u2019m nobody. Look, maybe there you have the title: \u2018Interview with nobody.\u2019\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My cell phone rings. It\u2019s my son, who is arriving. \u201cNobody\u201d says our conversation has come to and end. Another Cuban and I couldn\u2019t stand it, it would be an overdose. He enters the house and comes out immediately with two well-poured cups of coffee. He puts them on the little table, and he goes back inside.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">On the way to New Braunfels, my son asks me how I spent the day, if I met anyone interesting. I met Nobody, I answer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Four months have passed since this strange encounter. Nobody hasn\u2019t communicated. I can\u2019t wait to publish this, interview? Maybe he will be able to read it.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Four months have passed since this strange encounter. Nobody hasn\u2019t communicated. I can\u2019t wait to publish this, interview? 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